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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.10.11 04:07:00 -
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Quote:Alliance Hopping to Avoid Wars is not Allowed reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.01.10 16:32:33
Presently, there is a loophole that some corporations are using to avoid wars that have been declared on them. As soon as a war has been declared on the corporation, they join an alliance and, once admitted, they immediately leave the alliance again. The result is that they are only involved in an active war for 24 hours and not a week as should be the case according to normal war game-play mechanics. Bogus alliances have even been created for the sole purpose of giving corps a way out of wars.
This is an unintended game mechanic and it will be fixed as soon as possible. Until then we are putting a stop to this situation and anyone found abusing this loophole will receive a warning for their trouble. Repeated offenses of this nature may also result in a ban. Whoa. So this is allowed now?
So a corp like EVE University could hop back and forth between several alliances, such as Ivy League, Ivy League., and Ivy Leeg to limit their time under wardec to 24 hours?
Interesting.
I can see lifting the restrictions on alt corp dec shields (that costs a corp/alliance ISK to implement), but alliance hopping is a freebie. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:23:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:EVE University "DecShield" now out of Beta We tried it a few times, going back as far as 2008, and resurrected it again recently, but after CCP have recently made some changes to their policies, we can finally put in place the full DecShield as it was originally planned.
Over the next 24 hours, a number of E-UNI members and alumni who have taken part in my 'Special Project' and sacrificed a character slot, and will be wardeccing E-UNI with various shell corporations. These wars are all being paid for by the Uni (totalling around 3-4 billion ISK) and all management of these is being maintained by the directors via the API.
The end result will be that the cost of declaring or continuing a war with E-UNI will between 500M and 1B ISK per week. Of course, in the event that someone who has a proven track record and/or the numbers to provide a good fight contacts us, we can declare war on them ourselves.
This is done with a total of 19 corporations who are at war with E-UNI, with the majority of them mutual by default, acting as 'spares' in the event we should we need the full DecShield deployed. Each of the accounts, corporations and their CEOs, are being monitored by the API, which will be polled every few days to ensure the accounts are live and in good standing.
(As far as the mechanic or mechanics used to prevent the wars costing us up to 72 billion ISK per month, I would rather not go into detail, as although I have had confirmation from CCP it is fine, the mechanic could be used in other ways - similarly, I would rather people didn't speculate as to this, at least in public, although I'm certain that a few of you may know how it works. Lets just call it a special E-UNI "sekrit"...)
Note: If you like the DecShield, and by extension the change to the CCP policies, please "Like" the post by GM Karidor. This should help show the level of support for the change, versus the 'griefer tears' being displayed, and it is anonymous to all but the poster. Similarly, please do not post there, as anything coming from an E-UNI member will look like it comes form the corp as a whole.
If you have any questions on the DecShield, please feel free to post here. LOL. And people called me a tinfoil-hatter for decrying E-Uni's desire to get wardec mechanics changed to make it nearly impossible for anyone to wardec the Uni. :)
This recent "change", while it affect everyone, was no doubt implemented to help the Uni, since only the Uni has the resources to implement this sort of massive decshield. I believe this is the "teaching decshield" that was referred to earlier. No doubt a tiny nugget that Kelduum passed on to the membership after discussions he had with CCP.
That this change was brought down just as the "WSOP-free Month" is ending is a tad coincidental. A last huge bunch of wars before EVE University was to go war-free for good. Someone may wardec the Uni for a week at a cost of 1 billion ISK, but the next week they'll likely see that cost jump to 10 billion ISK or more.
The days of the University being under war are pretty over for good.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:49:00 -
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Irdalth Delrar wrote:CCP never contacted the Uni about this change, never asked for the Uni's opinion on the change, nor did we have any idea it was coming. CCP and Kelduum talk weekly on issues regarding high-sec and the University. Wardec topics are a priority with the University, and always have been. To pretend that Kelduum and CCP have never talked wardec mechanics, especially one as monumentally game-changing as this one ... well that's disingenuous.
And I know Kelduum, in the last month, has hinted over Mumble, of a big change coming down the pipe. He loves to hint after a big conversation with CCP. He likes people to see him with the CEO hat on. Which is why McDarila made the comment he did about a "teaching dec". He didn't know exactly what he was talking about, since he only had Kelduum's hints to play from. But he knew something was coming down the pipe from CCP, because Kelduum knew. And the WSOP-free Month wasn't decided by the membership ... it was decided by Kelduum. He made the big post with the dates (the membership only had the option of voting it down, which Kelduum knew was not going to happen.)
Anyhow, congrats. For a corporation that loves wars, you're awfully smug being war-free now. :) What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

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Posted - 2011.10.13 02:10:00 -
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Irdalth Delrar wrote:Keld started the WSOP, and the members could end it early. How did Keld know it wouldn't happen? Is Keld psychic?!? Am I working for a psychic?!?! Umm. Because, based on past participation in Uni forum polls, the chances of getting 50% of the total membership to participate (which was a rule Kelduum set down for the process), to voice their opinion, was exceptionally slim. Especially considering that the highest turn-out previously was only 30% of the total membership, and at a point when the Uni had far fewer members and the community was a lot "tighter".
You don't work for a psychic. You simply work for someone who understands statistics. Although he's obviously hired someone who's incredibly bad at spin doctoring. ;)
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Posted - 2011.10.13 05:18:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called " Alliance Hopping" or the more recent "Dec Shield". The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics. In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind. I take it this wasn't run by the CSM?
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Posted - 2011.10.13 05:21:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:I imagine that this change is going to be irrelevant with changes to the War-Dec mechanics. CCP has announced no changes. If anything, this announcement and change of policy is a test-run to see if they even have to invest any time or effort at all into coding a new war declaration system.
The only group of people that complain about the war declaration system is EVE University. If this policy change makes them happy, then mission successful.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 16:25:00 -
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Asterith wrote:Especially since they've stated that they're just letting it slide so they can learn how to fix it as fast as possible. Where on earth did they state that?
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |

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Posted - 2011.10.13 17:06:00 -
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Lady Go Diveher wrote:Poetic: you have it backwards. It doesn't take someone as large as E-Uni to do this, at all. I wasn't referring to alliance hopping. But you are correct about that. Anyone can do that.
I was referring to setting up a massive decshield. That can get a tad expensive, but E-Uni has the resources to handle it.
(Although, why E-Uni simply don't alliance hop between Ivy League, Ivy League., Ivy.League, and I-League to save a bunch of coin, I don't know. Perhaps something to do with POS mechanics?)
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:17:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:We know that some things to do with wardecs are still considered exploits, joining in space for example, so hopefully someone from CCP can clarify if avoiding paying full concord fess by the toggling of wars mutual status is now allowed. The exploit in question is an EVE University "sekrit" because the method of avoiding the CONCORD fees was given to Kelduum by CCP.
Since only EVE University knows how to avoid these costs, it is not an "exploit", since the secret is not out in the wild.
Kelduum Revaan wrote:As far as the mechanic or mechanics used to prevent the wars costing us up to 72 billion ISK per month, I would rather not go into detail, as although I have had confirmation from CCP it is fine, the mechanic could be used in other ways - similarly, I would rather people didn't speculate as to this, at least in public, although I'm certain that a few of you may know how it works. Lets just call it a special E-UNI "sekrit"... The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |

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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:32:00 -
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The Uni can avoid wars ... but they cannot avoid an old-fashioned UNIGEDDON.
How was Hulkageddon run by Helicity? Were there prizes? Leaderboards?
I think this is just what the game needs. A corporation thinks that they are above everyone else, that they can bend CCP's ear to their favour, that they can avoid all tears.
Bring the tears to them in some other manner. This is a sandbox. Some old-fashioned high-sec suicide ganking. The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |

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Posted - 2011.10.14 10:01:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:CCP came to the CSM for commentary on this change, we provided our feedback. It's not a conspiracy, sorry! Are you going to tell us what feedback you provided to CCP? Or do we have to wait four months for the minutes? The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |

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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:30:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:For everyone complaining, here is a reason why the Wardec shield mechanic might be a good idea.
1. NPC corp have tax to virtual coffers, isk disseappers 2. Corps don't really have tax to virtual coffers, isk doesn't disseapper 3. CCP changes wardec rules, allowing dec shields. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT! Maintaining the dec shield is very much like POS Fuel, skill que, moon mining, or PI; You have to actively iniated the wardec to yourself once a week from other corps. So, to keep so many wardecs active on yourself to effectively cockblock someone else you have to apply your own isk to shell corporation and submit to CONCORD. So....more isk is draining out of EVE. Unless, like EVE University, you were supplied a method of avoid most of those CONCORD costs in setting up a very expensive nineteen corporation decshield.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:39:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:The new rule change does jack **** to protect new players, and does a whole **** load to protect people who just want to carebear and avoid the possibility of PVP in their game. QFT.
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:58:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Irval Penken wrote:rufeno wrote:the 19 corps dec-shield is pretty easy, and cost around 200m. per week. it just take time...
3-4 people can do it in 2h, splited over 2-3 days..
even small alliance can do that. it only requires 1 paid character slot. (trial account can declare wars..) Could you share this "pretty easy" way? I would still consider it broken, but the knowledge also better should be available to everybody (and I am damn curious, too :-) 3 corps wardec another one. cost: 1.6m x 3 +2+4+6m. (you can use a trial account to form those 3 attacking corp) the wardecced corp join in the alliance. boom! 3 wars on the alliance, next war on the alliance cost 200m. Based on what you describe, EVE University would have to be a stand-alone corporation for this to work, and I don't believe that they are leaving Ivy League when their 19 corp decshield is applied.
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Posted - 2011.10.15 17:54:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:rufeno wrote:Irval Penken wrote:rufeno wrote:the 19 corps dec-shield is pretty easy, and cost around 200m. per week. it just take time...
3-4 people can do it in 2h, splited over 2-3 days..
even small alliance can do that. it only requires 1 paid character slot. (trial account can declare wars..) Could you share this "pretty easy" way? I would still consider it broken, but the knowledge also better should be available to everybody (and I am damn curious, too :-) 3 corps wardec another one. cost: 1.6m x 3 +2+4+6m. (you can use a trial account to form those 3 attacking corp) the wardecced corp join in the alliance. boom! 3 wars on the alliance, next war on the alliance cost 200m. Based on what you describe, EVE University would have to be a stand-alone corporation for this to work, and I don't believe that they are leaving Ivy League when their 19 corp decshield is applied. no, you don't get it. the decced corp join in the alliance where Eve-U (or the corp you want to protect) is already in. I get it dude. I know how to keep the costs down for a corporation that isn't in an alliance.
The question is ... how is the Ivy League keeping their costs down. As their CEO has already stated, they are paying nowhere near 72B ISK per month to keep their nineteen corporation decshield up and running. They aren't bouncing EVE University in and out of Ivy League to do this. It's, as I understand it, more along the lines of toggling the mutual/non-mutual aspect of the wardecs, keeps Ivy League's costs down while ensuring a wardeccer pays maximum cost to wardec Ivy League.
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:14:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: I get it dude. I know how to keep the costs down for a corporation that isn't in an alliance.
The question is ... how is the Ivy League keeping their costs down. As their CEO has already stated, they are paying nowhere near 72B ISK per month to keep their nineteen corporation decshield up and running. They aren't bouncing EVE University in and out of Ivy League to do this. It's, as I understand it, more along the lines of toggling the mutual/non-mutual aspect of the wardec/decshields, keeps Ivy League's costs down while ensuring a wardeccer pays maximum cost to wardec Ivy League.
you create all the corp and wardec before they join into the alliance. when those are done, they just create another set of corp and wardec. I get what you're saying now. The decshield corps don't wardec Ivy League ... they all wardec an allianceless Corp A ... so 18 corps wardec Corp A, then Corp A joins Ivy League. So this is one reasonably effective method.
Strangely, though, there are no new members in Ivy League. It's the same four members, the youngest of which is 107 days old.
Which still leads me to believe they are doing something completely different.
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Posted - 2011.10.16 03:35:00 -
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This is an excellent read from Ship Toaster:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22037&find=unread The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |

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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:49:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:ShipToaster wrote:Recent wardec discussion threads. Go troll them or better still make one of your own.... Some good ideas there, and I have another suggestion I hope to post later on this evening which should provide a couple of things not currently seen with the current mechanics - most notably the option for the defender to end the war in the event they can muster significant force. Please don't post your "capture the flag" idea. We don't need an artificial Warsong Gulch in this game.
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:00:00 -
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isk4trade wrote:Iam Kikas wrote:Well, based upon the current calendar of events leading to this point now, we can expect resolution in 2014? Will be interesting to see if the slow death that Eve has been experiencing in the past year will be complete by then. Oh yes ... The HORRENDOUS decilne of average players online per day is very evident here in the "Past Year" chart here ... http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ... NOT ! You may be reading the chart incorrectly. From left to right on the X axis, it is most recent data to oldest data. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:01:00 -
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Kmelx wrote:PVEers with no means to defend themselves Why do people carry on with this fallacy that PvEers cannot defend themselves. Are their some special rules that inhibit them from fitting ships properly?
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:04:00 -
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Dog Fuqqer wrote:Quote:GM Karidor needs your likes! From: Kelduum Revaan Sent: 2011.10.17 16:45 To: EVE University, To show your support for the awesomeness that is the DecShield, I would like everyone to follow these instructions: 1. Click this link: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1657652. Sign in if you haven't done already via the Log On button at the top. 3. Click "Like" in the top right of his post. 4. If you have any other characters or accounts, use "switch character" in the top right of the page, and repeat. 5. Don't post there, really, but you can have a good read and behold the griefer tears. Thanks everyone, -- Keld In case anybody was wondering why this awful idea got so many "Likes" for GM Karidor. E-UNI fighting against the sandbox since 2007. (Or whenever it was that Kelduum took over.)
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Posted - 2011.10.22 05:47:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:E-UNI whining about the unfairness of the sandbox since 2007. (Or whenever it was that Kelduum took over.) PS - defining himself by his dislike of a an imaginary corp from an internet spaceships game... This is, of course, a game. But, what again, makes EVE University imaginary?
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:11:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:GM Karidor needs your likes! From: Kelduum Revaan Sent: 2011.10.17 16:45 To: EVE University, To show your support for the awesomeness that is the DecShield, I would like everyone to follow these instructions: 1. Click this link: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1657652. Sign in if you haven't done already via the Log On button at the top. 3. Click "Like" in the top right of his post. 4. If you have any other characters or accounts, use "switch character" in the top right of the page, and repeat. 5. Don't post there, really, but you can have a good read and behold the griefer tears. Thanks everyone, -- Keld Weren't you saying that you'd prefer to see wardec mechanics changed/fixed. This little ploy seems to speak otherwise. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:24:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:I think it speaks volumes that the only CSM to even comment on this is D3. I found that surprising as well. The CSM has been pretty much silent on the entire issue.
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Posted - 2011.11.04 09:26:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Soldarius wrote:I think it speaks volumes that the only CSM to even comment on this is D3. I found that surprising as well. The CSM has been pretty much silent on the entire issue. Very troubling. I think it highlights a gap in the knowledge/effort of the CSM that used to be filled in prior CSMs by having a pirate/nonPLmerc rep on. I'm going to run again to address that gap and hopefully get this issue the proper level of attention it should have from both the devs and the GM dept. Maybe Mittens will clarify the CSM position:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=305323#post305323
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:26:00 -
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How EVE University Avoids Wardec Costs
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Posted - 2011.11.12 08:06:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The issue is CCP has FAR too much on their plate right now to fix this right ATM. So they are temp allowing this for now. That's a complete guess. They've not said they are changing it at all. They could leave this way for the next five years. The carebears would cheer and dance, but denying risk to highsec is a bad move on CCPs part. It's paving the way for the carebearification of this game.
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Posted - 2011.11.12 19:14:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Red Frog Freight has lost more to suicide gank (on freighters!) then all the wars combined. I betcha their losses will go down significantly now.
Quote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time. Why are they annoying? And how do you define griefing?
Quote:anyway, with all the change coming this winter, you need to realise that the player base does NOT want to take part in pvp, and that CCP is changing the game to accomodate them. This was a hardened gaming experience. If CCP is trying to transform it into a something else, then it will go the way of the Chinese server.
Quote:Everything change and evolve. stop being the old sad rambler who's trying to ruin fun for eveyone else. Not all change is good.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:55:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Dream Five wrote:Thumbs up! Btw i think the reason they are doing this is because the new BCs and destroyer changes will change the hisec ganking balance (ganking without wardec) Now there's ganking while at war?
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:53:00 -
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Posted - 2011.11.16 00:39:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve. They really only play in highsec. Some small proportion of them will venture into lowsec. An even smaller proportion will do sites in wormholes or npc nullsec. No unista is allowed into sov nullsec.
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:59:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:rufeno wrote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time. rufeno wrote:griefing, in this particular case, is deccing small corps you know will just stop playing outside station. Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve. your point being? Sooper has no point, because they don't play all over New Eden.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:01:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve. They don't play all over New Eden. Can you just STFU about Eve university for one goddamn ******* minute, please? I would, except the E-Uni wardec crowd is here bunging up the conversation with requests for capture the flag (straight outta the mouth of Kelduum) and meaningful consensual PvP systems ... as if this is a WoW battleground system. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:27:00 -
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Ehnea Mehk wrote:Absolutely! This is why the system I proposed ensures all participants in the war agree to the goals, so you do not have a war that goes on and on. Not many corps want to go through the hassle of having their POS destroyed ... so exactly who is going to agree to that?
Consensual PvP is ridiculous in a game like EVE, because it'll end up where everyone in highsec does not consent, unless the goals are symbolic and of no value or consequence.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:30:00 -
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Ehnea Mehk wrote:That's not a war if you do not have a goal. It sounds very much like a griefer WARDEC method being used. Which is the heart of the problem to begin with and why people in highsec space resort to WARDEC shields and corp hopping. My proposal puts the WARDEC system back into the context for what it was meant for in the first place. To have a war. The problem is your use of the word GRIEF. Your definition for it is much different than other peoples. Thus you are inserting your own prejudices into a solution.
You do not get to define what the goal of a war for someone else is.
If some corp, for instance, has rules that force their members to dock up when wardecced, then perhaps my goal is to force them into station, laugh at them, and watch as their stations fill up with tears. That's perfectly legitimate goal. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Ehnea Mehk wrote:Now where did I say that? Can you please quote that line? I never said I wanted high-sec to be war-free. It will be war-free with your stupid little consensual system. If carebears have the choice to avoid conflict, they will. The idea that EVE was built is that nobody has a choice. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Ehnea Mehk wrote:Quote:Consensual PvP is ridiculous in a game like EVE, because it'll end up where everyone in highsec does not consent, unless the goals are symbolic and of no value or consequence. As Vulpina pointed out, the fact we have high-sec and CONCORD means we have players who want the choice when to fight and not to fight.. Why else does the majority of players reside in highsec? CONCORD is not there to prevent PvP in highsec, they are there to offer a consequence for non-wardec PvP (ganking).
If carebears don't want to PvP, that is what NPC corporations are for. They should join them. The moment a carebear steps foot outside of an NPC corporation, they are saying "I consent to the possibility of wardecs and nonconsensual PvP."
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Ehnea Mehk wrote:Tippia, you will never have that ability (in a WARDEC situation at least) to be able to target ships and disrupt operations that easily. You are legally allowed to leave your corporation that is the target of a WARDEC and join an NPC one (not to be confused with decshielding or corporation hopping). You cannot own a POS in an NPC corporation. There are certain items/structures in this game, that to own them, you cannot and should not be able to hide from PvP, from people who want to disrupt, or take those toys from you.
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Ehnea Mehk wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: It will be war-free with your stupid little consensual system. If carebears have the choice to avoid conflict, they will. The idea that EVE was built is that nobody has a choice. You are tarring a group with a single brush and you know it. Some may in fact want to fight but on their terms. Why else would people be asking in Rens local for 1v1 PVP using a jetcan? It's not as black and white as you are making it to be. And you want to create a B&W system, where only the types of conflicts you feel are worthy are implemented. You wish to remove from the whole system your definition of griefing, which is a very broad definition that covers everything you don't like about PvP.
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Ehnea Mehk wrote:You say no player should be able to avoid PVP. Since when? We've allowed to create alts, whether in the same account, or under a new one. Corporations have been voluntary memberships for as long as I remember so it's not like deserting your post in the army if you leave. This means if you don't want to be a part of a corporation under a WARDEC, you have the right to leave to join another or come back when the smoke clears. You can even decide, if you like, to take a holiday from EVE Online and come back later after the WARDEC is done. I'll never see a situation come around where you are somehow locked in or forced to partake in a WARDEC PVP. That's even more unworkable than the current WARDEC mechanism is right now. You're being pedantic. Of course, one can avoid specific instances of PvP by not logging on, or dropping corp to avoid the aggression a corporation finds itself in.
I'm debating your idea of consensual wardecs. I have to assume that if I want to wardec some corporation, then they would have to consent, or the wardec never happens. Thus PvP is avoided. And I argue that it should not be avoided ... the entire corp membership can drop if they wish ... but they could not avoid taking that drastic action.
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. sooooo Goons after they remove insurance? ah good that we cleared that up They are increasing the value of oxygen isotopes on the market. They are profiting.
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Vulpina Elaphe wrote:To Asuri Kinnes, there is also such a thing as a griefer wardec, which is for extorting money: Quote:"Griefer war decs" refers to the practice of declaring a war, typically in high-security, against a party who is not your competitor in politics, regional control, industry, or anything else, and does not want the war. Such wars are often, but not always, declared with the intent to extort money from the victim for termination of the war. While they are sometimes used for actual griefing (ie, declared only for the malicious enjoyment of seeing the victim suffer), they can also be seen as a valid playstyle, and are used by many for simple isk-making and/or combat training. On that point, Ehnea is correct when he says war declarations are being used as griefing. I still think we should throw that mechanic out the window. It's hardly binding on both parties and the defensive corporation can avoid it easily, and this was even before the announcement was made about the restrictions. All he needs to do is make an alt and wait it out while the attacking corporation burns money. That is why "griefer war decs" is in quotes. It's not actual griefing. Some people incorrectly view it that way. As the quote states, it is a valid playstyle. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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If you are concerned about wardecs, head to this thread and ask Seleene to get an answer out of CCP concerning the future of wardec mechanics. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:OR we go to low sec and fight fair fights instead. or why not go to Null?? instead of acting like a Coward? I know some of you get your kicks from ******* people over. And I have always let it go in the past. But after spending the last 2 years ( was in low and null sec before) in highsec it has become very clear that some of you are ******* this game up. Either its because your are clueless about what you are doing. Or its actually a planed action to wreck EvE... either way it needs to stop.. I really like the rationale that when a pvper chooses to pursue his craft in high-sec, it's because of cowardice. But when a carebear (ahem, "industrialist") chooses to pursue his craft in high-sec, it's a matter of playstyle preference. Eh, Mr. Alt McShiptoaster? The argument is that either are pursuing their craft in highsec due to cowardice or either are pursuing their craft in highsec due to playstyle preference.
I prefer the latter. Both are valid styles of play. The industrialists will just have to accept that they're going to get blown up once in awhile.
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Lithalnas wrote:Unless i am totally mistaken, the unsticky of this thread means the discussion is now closed? No. That would have been the locking of the thread.
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RubyPorto wrote:Russell Casey wrote:Farrina wrote:Quote:you don't understand "griefing" as defined by the devs... Except the Devs don't run the game. The players do. False. Helicity learned this the hard way when he tried telling one of them to DIAF. Sorry they got your hopes up, but if you hadn't heard, Helicity's back. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=459247#post459247IIRC, it was due to popular uproar by the players. So what lesson was learned? Nothing at all to do with the players. CCP's bans are rarely permanent. She was punished (as they saw it), she was allowed back after a period of time. Banning is simply a short prison sentence ... there are rarely life sentences and executions.
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Crumplecorn wrote:Tthere is a positive feedback loop here. Carebears join a harsh PvP game. Carebears whine en masse (in the way that only carebears can whine) that there is harshness and PvP in this harsh PvP game. CCP tone down the harshness, and reduce the PvP opportunities. Being a more 'accessible' game, more carebears join. The whining gets louder. More nerfs. It goes on and on in a never ending cycle, eventually leading to PvP being marginalised in the areas carebears inhabit. And EVE is destroyed. All the PvPers leave. Then, because there are far fewer people playing, and because the PvE in this game is pretty boring, the PvEers leave. EVE is dead. The carebears killed it.
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Spacing Cowboy wrote:The pvp players are not in highsec ... PvP players are everywhere. Thinking otherwise is to pretend that you're playing World of Warcraft in space (PvP players are only in battlegrounds and arenas ... true in WoW on the carebear servers, not true here.)
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Jojo Jackson wrote:You should be able to play YOUR Sandbox? But others aren't allowed to play their Sandbox? -> AROGANT
With your words ... I should be able to play MY SANDBOX! And my Sandbox EXCLUDE PvP by 100% ! The misconception here is that we all get our own little sandboxes. This is incorrect. EVE Online is one giant sandbox, which every player shares. If you want to try to stake out your little corner, just for yourself, then you'd better be prepared to defend it. That little section you staked off isn't actually yours, you've no inherent right to it, so if you don't defend it, be prepared when someone else comes along to kick some sand in your face.
PS Stop with the exclamation mark crimes.
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Just re-iterating that I think this change is good. It gives people a defence against griefing and more freedom of choice. Read this. There is no such thing as griefing.
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Crumplecorn wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote: You should be able to play YOUR Sandbox? But others aren't allowed to play their Sandbox? -> AROGANT
As someone else pointed out, you missed the point, which is that there is only one sandbox. It needs reiterating. Carebears don't understand.
The misconception here is that we all get our own little sandboxes. This is incorrect. EVE Online is one giant sandbox, which every player shares. If you want to try to stake out your little corner, just for yourself, then you'd better be prepared to defend it. That little section you staked off isn't actually yours, you've no inherent right to it, so if you don't defend it, be prepared when someone else comes along to kick some sand in your face.
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Exceptionally vague, but this is what Selene (CSM) had to say about war declaration discussions with CCP:
https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/145067851630391298
Hopefully the CSM will be able to expand upon that. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Amber Libertus wrote:Proteus Maximus wrote:Posting to add my displeasure with ccp. Will you guys ever fking learn? Do your fking jobs, listen to the entire player base... Just posting to add my thumbs up to CCP for this. You don't understand EVE. Go back to WOW and/or SWTOR, please. What you're looking for is a single-player MMO, where you can't be bothered.
The prime principle of EVE Online is that you can be bothered. Anytime. Anywhere.
Yes. We still have ganks. But there needs to be a large scale mechanic for settling differences or just annoying people ... wardecs. We need them back.
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:And you can bet your last isk, war-decs are being looked at. I hope so. Hopefully we get a clue to CCP's intent when the minutes to the December CSM Summit are posted. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:TL;DR: Stop whining and step up your game. One could say that about you.
This game was developed on the principle of non-consensual conflict. If there are people playing this game that cannot abide by that principle, then they should go play another scifi game, such as Star Trek Online or SWTOR. They'll enjoy themselves more.
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:I think the question you need to ask yourself is why using game mechanics in unconventional ways always seems to be fine as long as it's not something a carebear can do to affect the way you like to play. Funny how that always seems to be the argument people like you will make in situations like these. Avoiding wardecs at no cost is subverting the entire premise of EVE Online. It's not a case of picking a target to wardec, any wardecced target can avoid being decced with minimal effort. Simply alliance hop. That's just an outright subversion of everything EVE was built upon. Conflict is a guiding principle in this game, consensual conflict (which is what the broken wardec system has become) has no place in EVE Online. Period. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:The thing is, you can still wardec. You just need to choose a better target if you find that your target is constantly alliance hopping. I'll say it again: call them chicken**** when they do it. If it has an effect, they're a worthy target. If it doesn't, they weren't worth targeting to begin with. The solution is to hold peoples' reps accountable, not whine because the carebears now have 1 trick up their sleeves to combat trolling wardecs. You came straight here from World of Warcraft, didn't you? That's WoW reasoning. "An effective form of conflict is to call someone a name!" What the hell, man?!? Seriously? You're arguing that as a valid form of conflict resolution for EVE Online?
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:I mean, honestly, I'm not so sure that any worthy opponent is really going to be ducking wardecs from people who want to harass them. This is not the f*cking World of Warcraft arena system. EVE Online is not about WORTHY OPPONENTS. It's about CONFLICT. People can choose why they want conflict for any reason they want. People can be drawn into that conflict whether they want to or not. There is no such thing as griefing when it comes to PvP. You undock your ship, you agree that you could be engaged in space conflict.
Creating conflict in Empire space should not be free, but neither should anyone be able to dodge conflict for no cost. Currently, one can dodge conflict in Empire space for free (or negligible cost.)
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:... cowardly trolls who can't hack it in low or nullsec. This is a tired and fallacious argument. Dickheads hide under the umbrella of Empire Space, and when confronted throw out the "go pick on people in low/nullsec" whine.
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Aren Dar wrote:There's the option of making it - in some way - proportionally related to the sizes of the two corps that are the subject of the wardec, more would need to be done, but that would be a start. I tossed that idea out last summer. Actually there's post of mine about it on the E-Uni forums, back in May or June, I think.
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/search/label/Wardecs
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:The game may be a sandbox, but that doesn't mean that CCP has to make it easy and dirt cheap for you to do anything you want to do within it. You've at least changed your tune since entering this thread. At first you were all "Rawr! It's great that any corp that doesn't want to fight can do so at no cost. High-sec as a consensual PvP zone makes EVE better! Rawr!"
Now you're all "Rawr! It should be expensive to wage war in the high-sec part of the sandbox, but you should be able to wage war against anyone if you're willing to pay silly money! Rawr!"
I think we can now agree. I have no problem with wardecs costing some coin. I have no problem with corps bribing to end wars for similar coin. I have no problem with large corps/alliances paying through the nose to dec small corps/alliances, and for small corps/alliances to pay through the nose to wardec large corps/alliances.
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Izziee wrote:I find it amusing that griefers QQ so much more than any other type of player. Yes, that's why CCP removed insurance for ganks, dropped policing the wardec exploits, and immediately fixed an aggression mechanics problem for highsec incursion runners when it appeared ... because carebears don't cry when they lose ships.
As an aside, I'm all for removing insurance for ganks ... but it is an example of something that was "fixed" for carebears. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:... but honestly, if I were in that carebear corp, I'd feel satisfaction that I was leading somebody to dump that much ISK down a hole, even if it meant staying docked up for a week or whatever. You'd probably fake a killmail to put that amount on your killboards.
Hiya Kelduum!
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:So I'm not sure why you regard once change as legitimate while the other is just beyond the pale. Because under one option (the current option), one can avoid a wardec at no cost and indefinitely. If you don't want to be a part of a war declaration, you never have too. You can be a **** with no consequences.
Under the payment option, there is the option for anyone to pull you into a war. If you then want to stay docked up, then that is fine. They get to play the game for a week, and you don't. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Marlona Sky wrote:... most of the time it is some ***** ass guys with neutral rr alts on standby who only go after a group of miners/mission runners for easy kills. You're not allowed to go after industrial targets during wartime?
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Izziee wrote:... but those sad sad little griefers that only do it because it's easy kills I think are pathetic. Who the hell doesn't look for easy kills? Do you think Goonswarm attacked White Noise because they thought it was going to be a challenge? If you or your corp or your alliance are "easy kills", then it's up to you to learn not to be. It's not the role of CCP to protect you with mechanics.
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Izziee wrote: (For the record, I've always been a PvP player in every game but I also do PvE when I want me time, and guess what, I do just fine in eve when I don't wish to interact with anyone) Those times when you choose to play "solo", it's not because you flicked some no-PvP switch in the game, it's because you've taken special measures not too.
It's a sandbox ... you can try to play solo all you want, and most times you'll be successful. But if someone comes along and is determined to drag you into their little world, they are going to. You just have to deal with that. And expect that it can and will happen, probably when you least want it to happen. The game should make any special accommodations for those times when you just don't want to deal with other people.
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Izziee wrote:I also assume you mean it SHOULDN'T make any special accommodations to players. Yes. I edited my post to change my typo while you were replying.
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Izziee wrote:That's exactly what I enjoy about eve, the complete freedom to do what a player wishes to do. So, why are you whining? You have freedom to try to do what you want, and other people have the freedom to try to kill you ("griefing" as you would incorrectly refer to it.)
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Izziee wrote:Once again, wrong. I already told you, today I PvE'd, I didn't have any engagement with another player. So your statement goes right out the window. Do I say that will always happen? Nope, but I'm not against PvP so it doesn't effect me when it does. However, being a PvP SERVER doesn't make it a PvP GAME. Let's pretend you're a US Marine in Afghanistan. Just because you got to eat your lunch, outside the base, in a field, without any Taliban taking shots at you, doesn't mean you're not in a war zone. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |

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Izziee wrote:Do you honestly think by you running to a corp tell tailing like a little kiddiewink would to their mummy and daddy... I had to stop reading after that sentence. Are you using a random word generator?
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ShipToaster wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So poor players in small corps get shafted. This is a rule of EVE. Big sharks eat small fish. Agreed. EVE is not the European social welfare state. It's Libertarian.
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RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps.
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RubyPorto wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps. I was under the impression it had ballooned into ~10 around 4 months before the announcement. Not as far as I know. My entire time in the Uni is was 2 or 3 corps (can't remember which). They called it Decshield 2.0. It was around 10 last year, before CCP told them to stop it, giving them permission for the 2/3 corp decshield they used from that point until the changes to wardec policy.
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:50:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps. I was under the impression it had ballooned into ~10 around 4 months before the announcement. Not as far as I know. My entire time in the Uni is was 2 or 3 corps (can't remember which). They called it Decshield 2.0. It was around 10 last year, before CCP told them to stop it, giving them permission for the 2/3 corp decshield they used from that point until the changes to wardec policy. So they got permission to use a limited expression of an exploit unavailable to other players. That's some nifty information. They did. Though any corp could have used the decshield ... the policy wasn't for e-Uni alone ... of course, CCP never made public that info, so in effect it was an E-Uni-only policy.
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:52:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps. Your becoming "Stammerer" again... What? FACTS scare you? It's a f*cking fact. What do you have to hide? That you pop up here the moment someone mentions E-Uni, and you get out of sorts at the mention of a FACT ... hell, what is your problem?
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:23:00 -
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WhaleCommander wrote:[people] that want easy kills ... Everybody wants easy kills. Even you. No one looks for a challenge every fight.
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:27:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:What? FACTS scare you? It's a f*cking fact. What do you have to hide? That you pop up here the moment someone mentions E-Uni, and you get out of sorts at the mention of a FACT ... hell, what is your problem? Unknot your panties, Asuri.
If my reply was anything, I did E-Uni a favour, by correcting a misconception on the history of the Decshield. Dude, I pop into this thread every few days. I just like to point out your pathological obsession with E-U. Hide anything? Someone mentioned something about the Uni decshields. I added what I remembered. Kelduum cleared it up. Was called Decshield 3.0, not 2.0. What's so obsessive about answering/correcting someone's assumption?
You're pretty f*cking obsessed with me though. ;) You going to Fanfest? I could pose with you in a photo. That should make your month. I'll even sign it.
My friend Asuri,
Stop crawling up my ass!
Poetic.
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:29:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Edit to add "content": Can't remember if it was Meissa or Tebor who said (blogged?) that during conversations, that CCP mentioned the 'Dec mechanics are getting looked at. Can't wait to see what they come up with. It was in the CSM Minutes, though at least three CSM members made their own short comments about in their blogs.
Basically, their was some dissent on what CCP had/has planned. CCP wants to implement wardecs in such a way to encourage those that like war, while minimizing its effects on those who do not like war.
There was discussion. Some of CCPs plans changed. Mostly favourable, with some reservations, from the CSM after that meeting. A devblog on the wardecs to happen in the future (my guess would be March or later.)
I'm going to remain pessimistic. The whole "minimizing [the effects of war] on those who do not like war" is disconcerting. If any group in this game is ever able to opt-out of PvP, I will do you the favour of biomassing my characters. This game will become the Chinese servers. A lot of happy merry-go-round bullsh*t. (I'll go play Perpetuum. Land robots will be serious business.)
Here's the exact section from the CSM Minutes:
Quote:Future highlevel discussions GÇô War Present: CCP Soundwave
CCP started off by stating that this was a high-level discussion (as per the meetingGÇÖs subject), more of a brainstorming session in fact. The broad scope of future iterations of the War system is to cater to people that want to do wars, as a profession, and it should cater to people that donGÇÖt want to do wars. And then the question is, how to achieve that?
The changes to the War system are currently being designed and have already changed after the meeting was held due to being actively worked on and because of CSM input. Because of that the details cannot be revealed of the discussion, simply because some of it is already outdated (and Page 23 of 44 therefore incorrect) and others will most likely change. CCP will however communicate publicly about the changes when it has a stronger view of how the system will be changed.
While the CSM appreciates CCP's position, they believe that including the discussion in the minutes would have been helpful and would have promoted discussion in the community. They regret the decision to not permit the release of the minutes of this meeting.
It must also be stated for the record that the CSM voiced concerns that CCP would be fiddling with one of the fundamental things of EVE, i.e. sometimes **** happens to you (like war is declared on you) and you just have to deal with it and any changes to the current system could potentially have negative effect over all. The CSM was however not unanimous in this concern.
After back and forth discussion the CSM ended up being positive about this change although some concerns of the finer details that have to be hammered out. This is definitely something that requires community input and a devblog will be released detailing the changes once they have become clear. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |

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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:54:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:
- April-May 2011 - A series of long conversations with CCP on the subject of what if anything is objectional.
- May 15th, 2011 - 'DecShield 3.0' is live.
Shadow CSM, btw. In full glorious effect. Why lobby the CSM for some changes you want, when you can step around them, discuss directly with CCP, making the case how much good you do for the game and that you need protection to keep doing those things. All the while bloating beyond your original educational mission statement. 
Kelduum Revaan wrote:I would welcome CCP 'fixing' the wardec mechanics Wardecs need to be fixed. I don't think that's what you want at all, though. You did cheer and put up a congratulatory thread the moment this wardec policy change was made. Going to "war" only when the University wants to go to "war" is your only concern. (And I quote war, because arranged three-day battles every few months are not wars.)
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:22:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:War decs are fine as they are. High sec griefers need to come to low sec and learnt2play. Or wardec people who want to fight. You, sir, do not understand EVE.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:55:00 -
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Dave Day wrote:Chron Aldazaar wrote: It's just a fact that when the masses who don't do what the rest of us do complain, we suffer.. That's called democracy.....More importantly to CCP it's called "The majority of our paying customers are pissed off by something that the minority do....now which group do we need to please to stand the best chance of keeping the most active subs and a nice car on the driveway" Your hi sec pew pew fun versus their mortgages.....that must be a tough call for them.  A minority? You should look at the numbers again.
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